Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Iranian Parliament's warning to Ahmadinejad:

Update (Wednesday, oct 24)
Just as Iran and EU start talking about Iran's willingness to consider the "constructive proposal" of the EU, Rice goes to congress to threaten Iran more! Which is telling me the Iranians are quite righ to say "Americans are not interested in negotiating to solve problems but only in negotiating for the sake of negotiation!

Also, the CNN didn't show the woman who confronted Rice with bloody hands, Calling her "War Criminal"

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Update (Tuesday Oct 23): Talks in Rome held, and successful too, According to Solana.
In this picture, he is shakinh hands with the resigned negotiator, Dr. Larijani. Iranians showed a united front, and willingness to negotiate peaceful solution.

I am beginning to romanticize the cleverness of the Iranian government, wondering with a satisfied grin: was the resignation a part of the choreography?

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More than 180 Iranian MPs have signed a letter praising former chief nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, who has resigned from his post.


The deputy speaker of Iran's parliament has said that Mr Larijani resigned because he could no longer work with Mr. Ahmadinejad, confirming suspicions that they had fallen out on policy, and possibly personality as well.

This means Ahmadinejad's in trouble!

This indicates that if Ahmadinejad deviates from the expressed wishes of the supreme leadership and the parliament, he will be in constitutional trouble! That, Larijani attended the Rome talks as representative of the supreme leader is already alluding to to exposed rift between Iran's ruling factions. However, it seems that the so called "islamo-fascist-dictatorship" in Iran is acting more responsibly and more democratically than that of the US of A!

Mr Velayati, the former war-time foreign minister- now senior foreign policy adviser to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei has expressed objection to Ahmadinejad accepting Larijani's resignation: "In the very important and sensitive situation where the nuclear issue is at the moment it would be better if this [resignation] did not happen, or at least it was prevented".

According to Velayati (read the voice of supreme leader on foreign matters) pragmatists believe in negotiating with the international community and talk of following the path of Japan.

It would be becoming worrisome however, if Ahmadinejad takes a radical stance against the supreme leader. He has been showing Komeini-ist megalomaniac symptoms, and he has been capitalizing on the capitalist corruption of those who are opposing him at this moment. Khomeini's radicalism has done great harm to Iran. I doubt this rookie is afraid to fall in the same Neo-Con trap that his spiritual leader fell, 30 years ago!

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sorry if I'm being off-topic, I'm just curious about something. I know the "Islamic" regime (and Islam generally) is disliked in Iran, but do you believe that the general Iranian sentiment is that in hindsight it would have been better for the Shah not to have been overthrown, ie, do the Iranian people dislike this regime more than the previous (and I am aware that many Iranians are too young to know what the previous regime was like, but you get the idea).

Thanks

A.N. Iraqi

Spadoman said...

Great post. Informative as always. But does cheney know this stuff? I mean, he is telling the American people more lies. He never aludes to any of the facts about the Iranian Paliamant and ruling authority.

So goes the bullshit spewd forth from cheney's mouth. Fodder to take the USA to another war, another step toward total destruction. But if all that is left is the rich, how will they get things done without the poor to labour for them?

Many countries have these same kinds of problems with their leaders. Not just USA or Iran or Iraq.

Peace to all

Naj said...
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Naj said...

Hi A. N. Iraqi,

Your question is both easy and hard to answer.

I try in a nutshell.

First of all, you suggest :I know the "Islamic" regime (and Islam generally) is disliked in Iran

This is not an accurate observation. And I have a faint suspicion you say so because your exposure to Iranians has been outside of Iran. Yes, most secular Iranians, many of who happen to be living abroad dislike Islam. (They would dislike any religion, in fact)

You also have a brand of Iranian nationalists who think Islam was an "Arabic" intrusion, and they still detest the Arab invasion of the 6th century! This group will also be vocally anti-Islamic and anti-arabic as well.

Then you have a third group of Iranians who detest the Islamic Republic of Iran, and who hate the economic and the political antagonism imposed on them because of the "islamist" rhetoric of the government. These Iranians consider Mullahs to be hypocritical, and they resent the "establishment's version" of Islam.

And then you have the largest majority of Iranians who a)hate the government b)dislike Arabs, c)are nationalistic AND are devout Muslims!

This is what happened after revolution: a lot of people who had no relation to Islam suddenly became very "Islamic". And this created a huge sense of doubt about the real "islamicness" of anyone who cries Islam and wears his religion on his forehead!

The "dislike" that you suggest is of this nature.

Iranians, however, are deeply muslim. They believe in one god. They believe in Mohammad being the prophet. They do their pilgrimage, to Mecca and also to the hole shrines in Iraq and Syria. They celebrate eyds. They fast in Ramadan. They have a Koran as the "sanctity" of the house. They wear black on Aniiversary of Imam Hossein. They consider Imam Ali to be their role model. They observe the rules of modesty. They avoid alcohol. They avoid re-marital sex and etc etc etc.

Now are people happier with these dudes compared to shaah? No, they are not! Do many wish shaah had stayed? Yes. Do they all wanted shaah to go? No. Do Iranians think the "revolution" in whole was a "western plot/Israeli"? Yes. Was shah good for Iran? This is where the answers become complex.

The ultra nationalists hate him for
1) depending too much on the west
2) succumbing too easily to the west in taking their advice to leave
3) overthrowing Mosaddegh

The ultra religious hate him for
1) modernizing Iran too fast
2) acting too Westernly, especially in th emonth of Ramadan (that's what brought his demise, actually!)

The young people (who are the majority) do not care about him.

The old people (who are slowly dying) watch with a sad grin the same politics that shah espoused repeating themselves.

That people "dislike this regime" is not surprising:

-During shaah, Saddam never dared a war with Iran
-During shaah, you didn't need a visa to go abroad
-the shah's dictatorship was far less brutal than this one. He didn't massacre any prisoners. He didn't give decrees against the lives of writers who wrote books o fiction.
-people could wear and do what they wanted
-it is shah who laid the foundation of a lot of programs that are now completed by this regime.

I never know why he was overthrown. But what is done is done.

And this regime, in spite of all short comings has not been sitting on it's butt doing nothing. These people have been feeding 60 million people IN SPITE of a war, a revolution and endless sanctions.

Iranians have learned one important lesson though:
revolution is NOT the answer to their problems

And this is why the Iranian youth and the majority of the Iranian activists are putting their effort in forcing the existing government into reformation.

Without the Islamic Republic, Iranians will not have learned what "democracy" is. Also, every nation grows more mature out of war. We, Iranian and Iraqis, have learned that we are not each other's common enemy. Have we not?

This is why I am hopeful for Iran's future. It is the republic of people. Even though it still doesn't look like that on the surface! We shall grow out of this skin!

Naj said...

sorry I had a very critically misleading typo, so I edited and reposted my answer :)

Sophia said...

Naj,

According to Tony Karon, Larijani's resignation is not what it seems to be. Larijani will be involved in the nuclear discussions but as representative for Khamenei Karon sees it more as a power struggle or a plan for power sharing in Iran. Didn't have time to got throught the whole article but it might be interesting to check it at Karon's site.

Naj said...

Spadoman

how will they get anything done for them

This is why they are not getting rid of "automotons and robots". People and nations who do not challenge them, and remain in their sheepish timid attitudes will survive for ever.

The project for Iran is not about their wanting war. It really is about preventing a muslim country raise to equal power

The project against Iran is fundamentally racist and anti-Islamist. I have to agree with Iran's objection that "they want to stop out scientific progress" That is what this really is.

If Iranian government "behaved" I promise you there would be at least one million of the most educated Iranians would have gone back to Iran. The FACT that the Texas A&M has started accepting post-grad students from Iran is suggesting that these people KNOW Iran's potential and are determined to PREVENT it from becoming what it is destined to be.

But this is also the fear they had during Shah's regime. Shah's megalomania was not entirely a figment of his psych. He wanted Iran to become a powerful nation. But anyways, just as they didn't succeed in crushing Iran under Saddam's military might, and under their sanctions, they should be sure that Iran is not going to just bend over and crawl out of history, only because a bunch of petty zionists and neoconservatives want it too.

Iran will be the thorn that will blind them, if they decide to pick its flowers!

Naj said...

Hi Sophia,

Thanks for the link. I will look it up.

If you have read my posts on this, that is what I am suggesting too.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for that reply.

I'm a PhD student who has lived in the UK almost my whole life.
I went to Mashhad, Tehran and Isfahan in 1998, and some mountain ragions far from the suburbs but I don't know any Persian so couldn't interact with the locals to get an impression of what they thought about life there.
Many of the Iranians I have met here in the UK (though certainly not all) are practicing muslims, but there is also a large and very vocal group of secular nationalists, who -maybe unintentionally because of their zeal - give a fairly one-sided view of Iranian society.

When I was a teenager (not that long ago), I and many of my circle of Iraqi friends, were vehemently pro-Iran and pro-regime. As far as we were concerned Iran was not to be questioned and could do no wrong...and anyone who had a problem with that was an ingorant fool or a traitor.

However, these days I think we would fall into the same category as the largest group you describe -namely, we dislike the Iranian regime because of it's corruption, abuses and dictatorship, and dislike the Arabs a great deal too, despite being Arabs ourselves. We still think it best that the Iraqi government strengthen ties with Tehran, however, because now is not the time to chide them- not while the hawks, wolves and Arabs are circling.

This is the impression I get from my community here in the UK. We criticise the regime in private, but not infront of others. It is still taboo to say a bad word about Khamenei, and still difficult to entertain the notion that Khomeini could have been anything less than noble in his intentions, even if the eventual outcome was the tragic state things are today in Iran. Any criticism is usually made obliquely and not explicit.

The Shah is a bit surprising. On the one hand he seemed to be very contemptuous of women, considering them as inferior to men, and on the other hand, he had no problem acknowledging the disproportionate Jewish influence on US media and foreign policy. Weel, at least he knew when to leave, unlike Saddam.


A.N. Iraqi

Naj said...

A. N. Iraqi,

you say:When I was a teenager (not that long ago), I and many of my circle of Iraqi friends, were vehemently pro-Iran and pro-regime. As far as we were concerned Iran was not to be questioned and could do no wrong...and anyone who had a problem with that was an ingorant fool or a traitor.

Well this is exactly the strategy put forth by Khomeini, I am hapy to know it worked ;)

you say:The Shah is a bit surprising. On the one hand he seemed to be very contemptuous of women, considering them as inferior to men ...

uhmmm ... who said that?
It is he and whose father who opened the door of society to Iranian women!

Anonymous said...

(They would dislike any religion, in fact)

Naj, most of these who dislike religion, are more Zoarastrians believers!


a lot of people who had no relation to Islam suddenly became very "Islamic

This some thing not just in Iran it's across the Islamic regions.

This reflection of frustrations from the dictatorship/ tyrants regimes and the lack of freedom which make people to seek some ways to relief themselves.

In other side also there are growing political fiasco by those these new Mullah, and religious figures to lead and get power in this time and catch the fish, as criminal OBL did and tried to take a lead first in Afghanistan when most those Muslims donations forwarded to him to built his empire which made more guys encourage more corrupt guys to follow suite.

acting too Westernly, especially in th emonth of Ramadan (that's what brought his demise, actually!)

I think Ramadan its it's a personal practice between the person (Men and Women) and Allah, so it's not the matter of state to impose or to enforce such things on her people.

Look to the Muslims in western world what's Ramadan for them while surrounded by western life.

What about Ashoor Naj?
Did Shah band those inhuman acts that today Mullah exporting to Iraq, Pakistan, and Lebanon?


A.N. Iraqi

we criticise the regime in private, but not infront of others.
There is doubt by saying you are an Iraqi?
Is this right thing to do?
If there are faults/freedom to speak expressing your view why not?


It is still taboo to say a bad word about Khamenei, and still difficult to entertain the notion that Khomeini could have been anything less than noble

He is not NOBLE at all, he is as any other humans he came search for the power and the leadership which cost millions of lives, if he was noble he should not dragged to that for 8 years of bloody war.

Naj said...

To anonymous:

Naj, most of these who dislike religion, are more Zoarastrians believers!

nonesense!
Zoroasterians are religious believers themselves!

Iran has a LARGE population of silent atheists!

And that thing sis not Ashoor, it is Ashoora, which is the 10th month of the lunar calendar, and which is when Shiites gather to commemorate the "resistance" of Imam Hossein to the un-islamic rule of the Ommayeds.

Ashoora is a great festival, it is theatrical and it is passionate and it has its roots in PErsian culture and history. I am glad Iranians are still "celebrating" it! I doubt Pakistanis will care about Ashoora (as they are mostly Sunnis), but if the Shiites of Iraq and Lebanon seek power and unity by subscribing to Iran's shiism, I won't loose sleep for your Wahabi sentiments being hurt ;)

Also: the man who cost millions o flives was not Khomeini, it was Saddam!

After he was initially kicked in the first two years of the war, Saddam came like a crawling dog begging for ceasefire, only to buy himself time. Saddam was a criminal and Iranians were right to not trust his peace offer. It didn't take him long to get his war fever directed at other nations!

Ah that dumb ass Saddam ... what crimes he did to his own people!

MarcLord said...

Thanks for posting this awesome post. I've been meaning to write something similar, and not as good, so you've dropped my next post into my lap!

Cheers, Naj. A virtual espresso to you.

Anonymous said...

uhmmm ... who said that?
It is he and whose father who opened the door of society to Iranian women!


that's the impression I got from this interview http://www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1067.html


There is doubt by saying you are an Iraqi?
No, I'm sure I'm Iraqi

Is this right thing to do?
Probably not

If there are faults/freedom to speak expressing your view why not?
Because all it does is give more ammunition to the hawks and wolves. Let us agree to speak out against all injustice, but then lot us not give preference to one injustice over another. Those who would lap up criticism of the Iranian regime will simply use it as fodder for anti-Iranian or anti-Shia rhetoric, with no criticism of themselves or balance in their views.
The Iranian regime is most harmful and threatening to it's own people and to Iraqis, not to Sunni Arabs, Americans or Israelis.

What about Ashoor Naj?
Did Shah band those inhuman acts that today Mullah exporting to Iraq, Pakistan, and Lebanon?


Ahsura is a monumentally important event in Islamic history. It is difficult to over estimate the significance and depth of it. It has been mourned for 13 centuries, not since 1979. The Iranian Mullahs didn't export it, it was known a long time ago even to the Hindus and Sikhs of India. I have read Hindu poetry eulogising the event, and Hindus still take part in the commemorations till this day, because it strikes a universal chord not limited to Islam or religion.

However, some people only see the superficial aspects, such as mourners striking themselves, and don't even attempt to understand it, so I can see why you might think it is "inhuman". However, it is in reality possibly the greatest example of nobility, dignity and selflessness history has witnessed. But I am not here to preach so I'll leave it at that.

He is not NOBLE at all, he is as any other humans he came search for the power and the leadership which cost millions of lives,

I don't claim that he was noble, only that it is difficult to know what his intentions were, despite the outcome of his actions.

I have not lived in Iran, so I can't judge, but I can clearly see that there is a great deal of resentment and anger at him on the one hand, yet on the other he had a funeral of 10 million people, which is quite astonishing.
In any case, Khomeini should be subject to the harshest judgement, without any mercy or lee-way. I am simlpy not qualified to pass that judgement.

Naj said...

MarcLord:
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your blog is my haven. Are you sure you are not Canadian? You are informedly humorous and sophisticated. That can only come from a Canadian :)

Do you know Rick Mercer's "Interview with Americans?"


A. N. Iraqi
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You are a pleasure to have around. Thanks for visiting.

Anonymous said...

Naj,
nonesense!

ok, they are Baha'i

it has its roots in PErsian culture and history.

Can you give more details what just what you said?


I won't loose sleep for your Wahabi sentiments being hurt ;)

Sooooo silly Naj, looks your hatred to Islam and Arab make you "loose sleep".nlkgptvx

Naj said...

Anonymous:

no they are not Bahai either. They are in fact Muslims who hate religion, just there are Christians and jews who hate religion!!

In your caves, are you familiar with the concept of "secularism"?

Perhaps not, because if you were you wouldn't think that it should be either Bahais or Zoroasterians who hate religion!!

If you bother to educate yourself, you will realize a minority who is suffering discrimination to practice their bahai faith is just a religious as some of you zealots may be. Babahi's however are not the brutal Muslims, they are the pacifist ones! (educate yourself to realize Bahai's are initially muslims too)

Re, ashoora's ceremonies: google up ta'ziyeh and Persian theater, also go educate yourself about the Persian roots of Shiism! Oh but I guess this is why you hate shiites so much: because of their Persian roots!

As for me losing my sleep over stupidity of Arabs like yourself, well I guess you are right. I have been watching you being the gullible instruments of the century's colonization of the ME! However, I am glad to know that not all arabs are like you :)

I don't hate people like you, but I am just sad that you are petty and not so brilliant.

P.s. Amro get lost!

Anonymous said...

Read this although your hatred to Arab so sick and hilarious, try to pass it to some friend tells you what lays you telling here?
من قتل الحسين ؟

BTW, your personal attack just showing your emptiness of thinking, covering your lies by putting misleading statements and arbitrary info about Islam, first you need to educate yourself before giving advices, with your arrogant and stupidly instead of keeping personal attacking.

The Muslims are those who believes in Islam and Allah, Qur'an and Prophet Mohammad who is the last prophet send to humans on this earth, trying to mess-up with lies putting Baha'i as Muslims it's an obsolete rubbish and stupid, so obvious your level of thinking and education about religions so shallow laughable specially Islam.

As most Iranians think Islam is as "Khomeini" tells or other Mullah with their brain washes messages and efforts, misleading or labeling Islam as you like is just untrue, nonsense and laughable

Keep you with your friend PinName with "Temporary Marriages" this is you're Islam bending religions to your lies.

Anonymous said...

Persian roots of Shiism!

This is the Big Lay.

Anonymous said...

"During the celebration people flagellated themselves, beating their backs and chests with chains. As the crowds moved through the streets of Karbala, their emotions spanned from grief to joy. Some zealous believers even cut their heads with the flat edge of swords to show their extreme sorrow over Imam Husayn's death."


Wonder why these people are so violent

The Iranian Mullahs didn't export it, it was known a long time ago even to the Hindus and Sikhs of India.

If not so then why the Persian involved as Naj trying to educate us "by here lies" took it from them and impended with Islam?

Is this in Islam teaching, or in any Sunah, or even in (Nahaj Al-Balagah)?

So you and Naj shall call Hindus and Sikhs Muslim?

Anonymous said...

Any one with a small brain (like bird's Brain) call this Islam?

BTW Naj Khomeini, and Saddam! Both are lunatics

Naj said...

Anonymous:

You exhausted your welcome!
I find it cute how you are trying to confuse your identity by "implanting" obvious errors in English ... however, your rage gave you away :)

This is Iran-Facts. You go make a blog about Islam and people who want to learn about it will sure cheer you! Your raging attitude and Islamo-arabicism is not welcome here :)

Good luck!

Naj said...

Oh one things about Ashura:
It is a "theater" not Islam, do you know how read a response? It's like talking to a wall when one speaks to you Wajhabis ... pfff!

Also, for your information, the Islamic Republic government has BANNED the practice of inflicting wounds to one's skin! This is why in the pictures of Times magazine, people are cobered in tomato juice!

It is a symbolism!
It is not a common practice!
It is a form of theater in which only a very SMALL population of "male" Iranians (mostly in the northern province of Azerbaijan) take part.

No the Arabic version of Islam, stale in 1300 years is not what Iranians are interested. That is why shiites have Mulahs who re-interpret Koran to make it suitable to the requirements of the epoch.

Bahai's branched off of Islam. They disagree that Mohammad is the last prophet!

Don't bother responding. You are deviating from topic and you don't seem to understand any of teh things told to you.

Anonymous said...

Bahai's branched off of Islam.

How stupid would be with you insist to telling us laughable ideas and things even kids in primary schools knew what is Islam.

BTW, you should stop talking about Islam as you admitting that you are not Muslim and your hate far to be reasonable and balanced person to judge this subject.
Your Islamophopia very sick and disgusting.

There are NO branches from Islam! Isn't "our Mullah" Madam.

There are Muslims who believe in Islam and there are non Muslims whatever name they like to call themselves.


BTW, those your Baha'i guys very friendly and to your suddenly you went hysteria and hilarious Israelis, and they may be got supported by them.

Naj said...

Anonymous:

it is exactly people like you that are fanning the fires of Islamophobia around the world.

You are just zealots :)

And yes I AM afraid of people like you, be it in shiite form as tere are in Iran, or in the rest of the world as you are in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia ... you and evangelicals and the zionists share very common features.

Yes that Baha'is have their spiritual leader buried in Israel and yes they have ties to Israel and yes Baha'ism was a cult set up at the turn of century as a part of "divide and conquer" strategy of the British (which failed miserably in Iran because in Iran the religious identity takes second role to national (Persian/Aryan) identity.) So what?

Israelis are hilarious in jumping up and down trying to isolate Iran, politically. The struggle between Iran and Israel has nothing to do with Islam!

And frankly, I wish Israelis felt secure with you "Muslims" and made peace with you! But they (Israelis) consider Arabs "unpredictable, schizophrenics" who change their minds on a whim, and every now and again come up with a crisis of identity that compels them to fight Israelis or Persians!

Wake up dude. Mohammad lived 1300 years ago! Enter the new century!

Oh by the way, I am sure if you were in front of me, according to your version of Islam you were allowed to kill me, and actually go to heaven for it. No? ;)

Anonymous said...

Oh by the way, I am sure if you were in front of me, according to your version of Islam you were allowed to kill me, and actually go to heaven for it. No? ;)

What this rubbish crazy sick woman?

You see how loser mangling with words, you lost your balance and looks tou went crazy, go see doctor.

Why I kill you I don't need to, I am not those Mullah follower who taught them the killing and bombing civilians like your regimes and your terrorised guys who work tirelessly to kill and torturing Iraqis and destabilizing ME on claims Shiitesim just be real put all your lies on the table, come and put them let see.

you are a looser, who lost her way in this Twenty ONE century setting and paid by western tax money on falls claims (don't lie, I saw many like you, lazy and stupid to they do not work) moreover accusing westerners hilariously about your bad regime while it's on it's last leg with those sick minded Mullah like you.

Come forward and be real Madam don't hid your identity and distancing yourself from bad regime and criminals like Ali Khaminie who control a terrorists Quads force and Bader Militia (Those created and trained in Iran 20 years ago as a Drilling Militia) in Iraq.

You approved my statement about you, unbalanced have a lot of hatred to Arab and with Islmophibia attitude. Look to the mirror

Anonymous said...

Islam you were allowed to kill me, and actually go to heaven for it. No? ;)


Who is this? Miss Nassrallah tells her militia?

Did you remember your friend Sistanin asked his slaves to go and vote otherwise there will be in the Hell? I wonder he had the control of Haven and Hell

Oh just before you go remembering Iraqi war when Khomeini imported 12,000 key called he handed to his solders during Iraqi war and telling them this key of their castle in Haven if they die!!


How words common coming from Iranian minds not surprisingly it's all from Iran.

Zeinobia said...

Excellent post Naj , already I read a rumor that the Foreign Minister wants to resign too ,I do not if it is true or not ,really excellent post

Naj said...

Zeinobia,

Great to see you.

Yes I heard the rumors about Mottaki too, but in Iran they are denied.

The reality is, it doesn't matter what Iran does or doesn't do.
Israel wants Iran sanctioned and bombed, and Israel and its guardians in the US will not sit still allowing any peace reached between Iran and the US.

At this point, the only people who need to wake up and realize what Israel is plotting for them are the Americans!

But as Rice proved, with pushing new sanctions against Iran, she is the lapdog of the zionists, and willing to act as a dumb whore on the command of her white masters!

David said...

I'm a bit late to comment Naj, but this post is very interesting. I had not heard that Ali Larijani was now the personal representative of the Supreme Leader. Also, I did not hear that 180 Iranian MPs have praised him. These are positive developments that seem to be putting Ahmadinejad in his place. Thanks for the news.