Saturday, June 15, 2013

IRAN, Congratulations!

Someone said last night:

"When all around you are in chaos and you are able to maintain a sense of order, you have won. My respect to the people of Iran, no matter who wins."


14 comments:

vagabond said...

Congratulation ... cant even imagine or fathom what a historic day this is for all Iranians

The World Around Me said...

After the results it really seems like things are changing. The election as a whole shows a beautiful change.

radius said...

If there is really change, only time will tell. At the moment only names have been replaced by other names. But what is very important (I think Naj already mentioend this some days ago) that the people have expressed their desire for a change in policies. They gave their votes to the candidate who based his campaign on change, freedom, less restrictive domestic politics and international relations based on partnerships.

But my concern is how free is the new president to implement these tasks ? Will the corrupt regime, the basidj thugs and the mullahs stay quiet, when they loose their privileges ? What can you do in a new society with hundreds of thousands of subordinates of a security forces, folks who have not learned much more in life than beating and harassing the people ?
Rouhani has a difficult job to do. I hope he has more fortune than Khatami in standing strong against the surpreme leader and against the Guardian Council. If the word democracy has any meaning, than to respect the peoples decision for Rouhani in these elections, and not allow the mullahs or self declared faith guards or a senile deputy of the 13th imam to overrule this vote.
Michael

Gene said...

Dear Naj, I'm very happy for you ... and hopefully for us as well if the warmongers can be silenced once and for all. Since you are not on Twitter, you may have missed this: http://bit.ly/125sgyz

Take care!

Naj said...

Radius,

It is this kind of statement that underlines your ignorant prejudice "What can you do in a new society with hundreds of thousands of subordinates of a security forces, folks who have not learned much more in life than beating and harassing the people "


Iran does not have "hundreds of thousands of subordinates of a security forces, folks who have not learned much more in life than beating and harassing the people"

Whatever propaganda has made you believe that, I reject!

Feel free to enjoy your fantasy. Or you can actually travel to Iran and educate yourself!

radius said...

Hi Naj, I had planed to go there this year, but was refused a visum. AO.k., at least they made it quite clear that I am persona non grata. So better to be not invited at all, than to get in and end in big trouble later on. I know the Iranian people are extremely hospital and communicative, but the security and police forces are only muppets of the regime. I know them from other countries as well: soviet union, east germany etc., to name only the mildest. If you tell me that it is merely phantasy that hundreds of thousands of Iranians are opportunist thugs of the regime, than you would have been the first who discovered an inhuman dictatorship that survives without the massive opression of the peoples free will.
Or do you think that Prince Reza Pahlevi, when presenting evidence to the International Criminal Court in order to charge the supreme leader of Iran for crimes against humanity, he suggested that these crimes against thousands of political opponents were carried out by the senile ayatollah Khamenei himself? Don't you think that there were quite a few who at least stabbed the knife where Khamenei or MA pointed them ?

If you want to change the regime, the hardest task is how to deal with the former subordinates and the elite of this regime. If you have sufficient streets to clean or railway tracks to rebuildt, this might be an option. I don't mean that they all have to be punished, but they have to be removed from the positions they had occupied before. Otherwise they will use the possibility to launch a military coup d'etat (like they did against Mozadegh).

best regards, the ignorant German

Naj said...

Yes that was before the election, they were a bit fussy.

And for Reza Pahlavi's vendetta; no der they are not hundreds of thousand "stabbers" they are very few!

And really marginal. Don't get carried away with your fascist imaginations, Iran is neither a fascist state nor a police ones!

Cheers

Naj said...

One more thing, "we" do NOT WANT to change regime, we want to reform it. Maybe Mr Pahlavi and MS Rajavi want it, but the majority of people don't really care about them. Take it easy!

radius said...

How you suggest me to call a gouvernment that after their "revolution" killed ten thousands of tudeh members, almost a hundred thousand of child "soldiers" died in the Iraq-Iran war since they were misused by the military commands to clean the mine-fields, imprissons people for following the "wrong" faith, executes woman for extramarital affairs etc. ?
What else do you need ? Concentration camps, gas chambers ? They have Evin, and if you read the memories of people who were imprissoned there, it is not much different to concentration camps. Open your eyes, and understand that the Iranian nation has to get rid of this regime from the roots. What exactly is your idea of reforming the regime ? What do you consider so extraordinary of the IRI regime that would be worth to preserve ? The people of Iran should be given the full power to decide about their own future, and not just letting them elect a moderate president only to understand later on that a self declared surpreme leader and deputy of Allah with some assistance from the council of guards art is still in full charge of all national affairs ?

greetings. michael

Naj said...

Don't exaggerate Michael. I know you are looking for antecedents to match your Hitler. But trust me, you won't find them in Iran.

Yes many were willed in the early years of the revolution. But also keep in mind that "revolutions" and "regime changes" are bloody businesses!

You can remain assured that Germany remains unrivaled in systematic extermination of opponents. Well, maybe we can add Israel to the list of systematically genocidal nations, given the treatment the Gazans suffer in their "concentration" camps!

Oh wait, we are no longer blaming Germany for the crimes it did 70 years ago. Well, hopefully, someday Iranians will be able to hear the story of all the parties involved in criminal activity against their opponents. That would include:

A) a lot of the armed opposition who in the early years of the revolution were responsible for terrorist attacks and assassinations (did you know Khamenei himself was a target and has lost an arm in such terrorist attacks?)

B) Those responsible for assassinations in Paris, Berlin and Tehran

C) Those responsible for Kahrizak

Again, revolutions are bloody businesses. We have seen the blood bath in the 80s. And for your information, I bet more IRanians are killed and maimed with German-provided chemical-bomb technology to Saddam, than EVER in Evin. You bring the German perpetrators of massive killing to justice, we will bring ours too! Fair?

radius said...

Don't forget please the Mongols and the Huns, they also killed many more than the IRI thugs. And the 2004 Tsunami perhaps also killed more than were executed by order of the surpreme leader. And sorry again for my ignorance, this time regarding Khameneis lost arm. A lost arm, of course, justifies a couple of thousand more innocent victims from the regimes opposition.

If you think that IRI and Nazi Germany play in the same league: I wont argue about this. The only idiots in the world who try to clear Nazi Germany of the unprecedented crimes against humanity are Ahmadenijad, the catholic Pius Brotherhood and a couple of brain-dead neo-nazis. But if you think you can qualify the political oppression in the IRI by showing that Nazi-Germany was even worth, that I fully agree with you. Than we don't have an issue with you. We can even introduce a metric scale for oppressions of human rights. So on top of ths scale are for sure Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pinochet/Khmer Ruge. And maybe by a factor of 10 lower I would place the Bush administration and Dick Cheney. And somewhere between these two points there would be the IRI regime, very close to Idi Amin and the likes.

But IRI would still be slightly in front of Idi Amin, since the IRI is the only regime in the world where people have to fear for their life if they make a very simple, personal, almost spiritual decision: To deflect from Islam is considered MUHARAB and will be sentenced with death, and this law is enforced by the IRI jurisprudence. How would you call this ? I call this clerico-fascism.
These are the foundations of the IRI regime, and you tell me it just needs some reforms. What do you want to reform ? Not having people being hanged any more on a crane on a construction site and woman not being stoned any more to death, but executed in a more sterile, anonymous and hidden environment ?

regards, Michael

radius said...

I believe you when you say "One more thing, "we" do NOT WANT to change regime, we want to reform it.". But please don't speak of yourself in the plural form.

Since in contrast to what you wrote in your post on May 11th "It will be a fun show to watch, but I am not planning to vote.", 72 % of the Iranians had more courage and went to the polls. And the majority of them -unlike yourself- supported the only candidate that promised change, and not some cosmetic reforms.

Michael

Matthew Franklin Cooper said...

Absolutely beautiful, Naj. I shared this comment on my Facebook page. My congratulations to the people of Iran and to its new President-elect; I pray he governs with wisdom and justice.

Foruhar said...

Hi Naj,

Hope you are doing great. A couple of people are thinking of putting together a petition to reflect their dissatisfaction with the Harper Government's position on the Iranian election and demand that they apologize. Would you be interested in contributing?

Don't know if this link will work for you:
https://www.facebook.com/naeim.karimi/posts/10200788906861621?comment_id=5628554&offset=0&total_comments=14&notif_t=share_reply

Best,
Foruhar