Monday, April 13, 2009

Israel's Cacophony

Well I am now back; and I am grateful to all of you who have wished me well.

I made a quick trip to my favorite Iran-news shop and noticed Israelis have been huffing and puffing again:

(this news item sounds like a Julia Childs recipe, it's kinda foody fruity!)

Then there is an instance of Ben Bullies Barak to Attack.

On the other hand, the NYT has suddenly had another one of its schizo episodes publishing a series of Roger Cohen's op-eds:

Realpolitik for Iran

(sorry i have to cut this short since Safari has gone on a strike against my blogger! Time to get a firefox again.)

23 comments:

an average patriot said...

Naj
Thank God or whoever that we have Obama at the helm now instead of Obama. Obama will not attack Iran! I hope Israel does do something and Obama lets them fend for themselves!

nunya said...

I agree with you average patriot.

Israel is like a spoiled thirteen year old boy who has to be the center of attention no matter what. Even if the kid knows he's going to get his ass kicked unless his big brother shows up to help him, he just can't STFU. lol

Anonymous said...

Americans need Israel to frighten Arabs, Greeks, Turks, and others in the Eastern Mediterranean, the Levant, and the Persian Gulf. They have geopolitical reasons for doing so.

Elsewhere, when an un-principled nuclear-armed state such as Israel is not locally available, the Americans will have to threaten those other states themselves.

The Americans want other states to be frightened of US so that they will concede to the fantasy projects coming out of the brain-damaged ruling cliques of US. However, the Americans do not want these states to be so frightened that they would start doing something about improving their capabilities to resist US.

In case of Iran, we are no longer are frightened of US - with our without Israel due to the War of Sacred Defense. As Ayatollah Khomeini stated: "This war has been a blessing...".

Now, the nuclear-armed Zionist entity has frightened too many local states and these states are trying to do something about it. This raises the geopolitical costs to US. The Zionist entity, thus, has reached the end of its useful life for US in its present form. It is costing US too much. There will be major changes to that state in the coming years; it now has to be cut down in size and strength.

For the world has changed: the Peace of Yalta ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the interregnum period – abused by US -vanished in the Global Financial Crisis caused by US. We have entered unchartered territories in which tolerance e for states like Israel with no defined borders, imprisoning an alien people, and threatening their neighbours is vanishing rather rapidly.

pen Name

Utah Savage said...

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nunya said...

Ahmadinejad's attack on Israel triggers walkout at the UN

This idiot does not know when to STFU either.

nunya said...

Pen Name

Do you ever quit your fundamentalist rantings?

Unless humanity stops breeding like rats (something all religious fundamentalists encourage) the suffering will only continue at its breakneck pace.

Naj said...

Nunya, I think you should also quit your rant!

Has it occurred to you that Ahmadinejad's not trying to win himself "western" friends? And that he is only expressing the sentiment of the "children of the lesser god"? You know, they outnumber the western bunch?!

I have not listened to or read his statement, but I can guess what he has said and what kind of sentiments he has stirred. He does it be design honey! And the walk out of your western leaders is a MOCKING of their OWN claims on democracy, free speech and whatever shit the western world prides itself in ;)

Anonymous said...

nunya:

You will be well advised to read the English language daily Haaretz.com and the comments of Israeli journalists there.

Unlike you, they have not put their moral sense on auto-pilot and they call racism by its name when they see it in Israel.

Our president has stated the obvious but you are either too arrogant and smug in your belief in your moral superiority or just plain too ignorant at what Israelis do every day against Muslim and Christian Arabs in Palestine.

Naj:

Dr. Ahmadinejad is oblivious to the arrogant US & EU. He is using the UN Forum to raise consciousness of the world about the injustice done to the Palestinians. He is, in fact, articulating the position of hundreds of millions of Muslims. His cry is like the cry of Abu Zar-e Ghaffari for Justice.

Ya Khatam-e Al-e Muhammad

pen Name

Anonymous said...

nunya:

There is nothing more satisfying to a pair of lovers when they have a babay from their act of Love.

My understanding has been that the world can support about 14 billion people. We are not even close to that number.

It is our failure to live according to God's rules that causes all these problems and not excess population.

As I worte in this forum more than a year ago - there is archeological evidence of war in the Levant and in North Africa dating back to 11,000 years ago when the world population was much less.

pen Name

nunya said...

Naj,

Both Iran and Israel engage in religious discrimination, not racism.

Ahmadinejad is a fucking antagonistic idiot.

How many Palestinians immigrate to Iran????

NOT many, but Iran sure as shit doesn't have any problem glorifying their martyrs.

I hate that word, and I hate that concept, martyr, barf.

Palestinians are nothing but pawns for the Muslim leadership in the Middle East.

Nobody wants them, but they are a nice distraction from the fuck-ups of the ME govts, aren't they?

How fucking stupid do you people think I am?

Both you and PenName have your fingers in your ears and you're yelling "la la lalalalala I can't hear you" when I try to tell you that the human race is destroying it's habitat and the habitat of all living things on the planet by it's exponential population growth.

Some scientist you are Naj.

Must be a shia thing.

26 minutes is all it will take to pull your heads out or your asses.
On Thin Ice "Seventy-five percent of the world's fresh water is stored in glaciers, but scientists predict climate change will cause some of the world's largest glaciers to completely melt by 2030"

And PenName,

You don't even know how many greedy people ALL OVER THE WORLD played the financial casino game, do you.

Easy to blame all your problems on America, isn't it, you chickenshit.

Anonymous said...

Nunya:

I am not surprised by your outburst: "from the vase oozes out what is within."

Martyrs are those who have borne witness for God.

Sometimes, we human beings have to choose Death in order to save our integrity as a human being on the path of righteousness.

Your foul language is an indication of a person who has run out of logical arguments.

I am not against US but I cannot suffer fools easily.

Last I looked, it was your "fucking" warships going up and down the "fucking" Gulf of tyhe Persians saying: "I will kill you, I will kill you.".

I think it will be a good idea for you people to stay within your "fucking" borders and leave us "fucking" alone.

pen "Fucking" Name

nunya said...

PenName,

It's really hard to facilitate trade with other countries if you never get out of your own country.

Are you going to give me the typical Iranian paranoia that Americans spend all their time trying to spy inside Iran?

Bwwwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Most Amercians really don't care about Iran. It's a big world out there, and Iran is a pretty small part of it.

Naj said...

Nunya: re most americans not caring about Iran. Unfortunately it is true; because most Americans are ignorant. Hence, they let their government go wreak havoc where it shouldn't. And the average naive American just keeps being an ignorant fool, played at the hands of its corporations, or politicians and etc.

Nunya, I suggest you travel around the world a bit; read about the history of culture and civilization a bit; and then discover for yourself why it is important to know about Iran (just as it is important to know about Russia, Israel, China, Japan, Germany, Argentina, etc ...)

Also, I suggest you buy yourself a map of the world and look at it and try to figure out why some "small" places in the world are important for the entire world.

TO draw an analogy that might be a bit more facile for you to understand: did you know that small glands in your body, which you never see, or feel; are far more important than you giant foot for your well being? ;)

Anonymous said...

nunya:

You wrote: "Most Amercians really don't care about Iran. It's a big world out there, and Iran is a pretty small part of it."

I am glad to hear about this and I do not have any dispute with you on this statement.

This could be the basis of moving forward.

We do not care about America either.

We want to be left alone to pursue our own interests.

Thus, I suggest, you persuade your government to stop threatening us and harming us.

pen Name

nunya said...

Regarding the walkout during Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel rant


What did the UN walkout achieve?

"But there was no discussion at the UN about Iran's racism against Arabs who live in Iran, still less its discrimination against women, gays or its gruesome position as the world leader in executing children and teenagers. No discussion on the racism in many Asian countries against fellow Asians but from different cultures. No discussion of the pitiless quasi-genocidal murder of Muslim in Sudan. Or does a Muslim regime killing Muslims not count?"


Naj said
"Also, I suggest you buy yourself a map of the world and look at it and try to figure out why some "small" places in the world are important for the entire world."Seriously lady, don't flatter yourself. If it weren't for
this even fewer Americans would know or care.

A pretty large percentage of Americans can not afford to travel, and I am one of those. That's really not a problem when you live in a city that people from all over the world move to because the climate is mild and sunny year round.

PenName,

I don't know where you got the idea that average Americans have any real control over their government, but if you really believe that you're crazier than I thought.

nunya said...

PenName,
My understanding has been that the world can support about 14 billion people. We are not even close to that number.Can you watch videos on your computer? There is no way that 14 billion people can survive without fresh water.

On Thin Ice

"Seventy-five percent of the world's fresh water is stored in glaciers, but scientists predict climate change will cause some of the world's largest glaciers to completely melt by 2030"

It is our failure to live according to God's rules that causes all these problems and not excess population.Right, without man's advancement in science there would be ummm, gosh, where do I start?

Modern health care, so women would die in childbirth, children would die of childhood diseases.

And Oh, yeah, the world wouldn't need oil because there never would have been an industrial revolution.

Anonymous said...

Nunya:

You have the power of vote, the power of free specch, and the power of free association. You can begin today and perhaps in several years start to affect changes in your country.

I am not an alarmist like you. My country is arid. We do not have water like you have in North America or Europe. Our population has more than doubled in 30 years but our standard of living as also improved during that time.

We have less of everything than you - less education and knowledge, less capable leaders, less arable land, less water, less technology and yet we are coping and prospering.

We have shortages of water and food-stuffs. But we are coping with that too.

You have better eductaed people, better technology, better leadership, better arable land, more abundant water etc. You have no reason to either complain or be an alarmist.

In regards to glaciers - ever heard of de-salination plants? I read that they are building one in Sand Diego city in California.

People go to war because they like it. Your country went to war against Serbia and later Iraq and your population supported that - God had not told them to do so.

pen Name

nunya said...

PenName,

"In regards to glaciers - ever heard of de-salination plants? I read that they are building one in Sand Diego city in California."Dude, I live in San Diego. 90% of the fresh water is imported from the Arizona part of the Colorado river and also from Northern California. They only got the ok to build the desalination plant within the last month, it will be years before it's built. That is not something they teach kids in school, so um... better education?

"People go to war because they like it. Your country went to war against Serbia and later Iraq and your population supported that - God had not told them to do so."My grandfather was drafted to fight during WWII. He never talked about it. Most veterans don't want to talk about it, other than to say "War is Hell." Nobody likes war. Nobody wants to go to war. People join the military because there are no jobs in their home towns, not because they like war.

Rich people who sell things the military needs to go to war like war, they make money on it. They usually don't have relatives that go to war. Dick Cheney comes to mind. I hate that rotten bastard.

You may have not seen the anti-war protests before Iraq inside this country, but that's because the media here sucks.

So, is somebody's God telling these guys to go to war?
Policemen killed in Iran clashes

nunya said...

PenName,

You might find this passage, that I transcribed from a book I was reading at the time interesting. Much of the Southwestern part of the US is also arid and the natural plant life is similar to parts of the Mediterranean.
simple ecology

The only thing that makes agriculture viable in parts of the US is an ancient aquifer called the Oglalla Aquifer.

Anonymous said...

nunya:

I too often wondered about the effect of ecological degradation in Iran.

Naser Khosrow (circa the 10 Century ) wrote in his “safar nameh” that he was camping outside of Shiraz for the night and he and his companions had to be alert against thieving monkeys! But now, outside of Shiraz, it is desert. Perhaps when the foundation of Perse Polis were being laid that area was lush and green.

About 40 years ago, I travelled in Kurdistan and the mountains were just beginning to be (re-)covered with shrubbery. Customarily, these shrubs would be cut and converted into charcoal by the local population. They were poor and did not want to spend money on buying kerosene. The Shah’s government banned that practice and gradually the mountain vegetation had begun recovering. I have not been there since but I think the woods are being restored, gradually.

But I also do not know the extent to which the ecological damage is man-made versus long-term changes in the weather patterns. I once read that in the central areas of US the scientists have found indications of a draught cycles lasting more than 70 years.

I do not think in the Near East, outside of Israel, there is any research into the subject of history of climate change [If I bring up the subject for the need to do research in this subject, at any level within Iranian society, people would either laugh at me, think me strange, or would not comprehend what I am talking about. It is very frustrating to work with people who are generally lazy – mentally and physically.]

I do not know to what extent the ecological damage contributed to the decline of culture and civilization in the Near East (and India and China). I tend to subscribe to Henri Pirenne thesis – formulated in the book “Mohammad and Charlemagne” – in which he attributed the progress of Europe to the change in the center of gravity of the Classical Civilization from around the Mediterranean sea to central Europe. Thus he believed that it was Europe that had an exceptional history and not the rest of mankind.

Perhaps you will have occasion to find and read Pirenne’s book and tell me what you think. I know that you are an intellectual and progressive woman in a society that appreciates females only for what they can offer sexually between the ages of 15 to 35 [they are then discarded]. I want you to know that I respect you & your opinion.

Anonymous said...

nunya:

It was to that insightful writer - Margaret Mitchell - that owe the deep insight that "men like war".

In regards to the Iranian policemen - well you have to be able to defend yourself.

pen Name

nunya said...

Well, thank you Pen Name, I'm glad you figured that out :)

I do not think in the Near East, outside of Israel, there is any research into the subject of history of climate change [If I bring up the subject for the need to do research in this subject, at any level within Iranian society, people would either laugh at me, think me strange, or would not comprehend what I am talking about.I find that kind of sad. The people on this planet need to take care of the environment or we will all perish. My daughter is studying "Environmental Policy and Planning" in college. Two years is going to cost us everything we have managed to save, but it's worth it for us to educate her in something that can help the whole world and all of it's people.

Thus he believed that it was Europe that had an exceptional history and not the rest of mankind.I don't believe that. I think that the extra rainfall and the ability of the terrain to regenerate more quickly had something to do with Europe's "exceptionalism."

It was to that insightful writer - Margaret Mitchell - that owe the deep insight that "men like war".

Margaret Mitchell is best known here for writing "Gone With the Wind." That was the only movie my stepmonster dragged me to see with her, after I reade the novel. She also encouraged me to read those stupid gothic romance novels. Once I turned 15 and discovered that males generally have no resemblance whatsoever to the heroes in gothic romance novels I quit reading them.

The only fiction I read now is a series (wildly popular here) about a modern female bounty hunter:

Stephanie Plum (the main character) doesn't kill people, she just brings them into the police station if they skip bail.

Ok, the library has the book you recommended and they'll send it up to my branch to pick up. I'll let you know what I think about it.

Yeesh, between you and Naj, I don't have time to play on the internet anymore, lol.

Anonymous said...

aussi encore:

Israel and Hellas, Volume 3
The Legacy of Iranian Imperialism and the Individual
by John Pairman Brown
with Cumulative Indexes to Volumes 1-3
Beihefte zur Zeitschrift fur die alttestamentliche Wissenschaft-BZAW 299


Walter de Gruyter, 2001

et:

Irano-Judaica
Studies Relating to Jewish Contacts with Persian Culture throughout the Ages
Edited by Shaul Shaked and Amnon Netzer
Irano-Judaica

6 volumes


Ben-Zvi Institute, 2008