This blog is about fairness; about looking at objects from multiple perspectives. Stable transformation comes only slowly; and only if the environment is free of sporadic jitters of passion and anger that destabilize growth. I strongly believe that the path to peace crosses through the battle with self.
Friday, June 19, 2009
Khamenei misses a GREAT chance for uniting a divided country ...
I SOOOO want to know what's going through his head.
Is he the evil dictator Ganji claims he is? Did he have part in the vote rigging to begin with?
Is he himself threatened by certain fascist forces within the system?
Even if he isn't threatened by them, does he worry that if he lends out the SMALLEST support to the protests, or the SMALLEST doubt to the outcome they will take control of everything?
I listened to some of Khamenei's speech. The man is completely disconnected from reality! He tried to claim that the 85% voter turnout was a great victory for the Islamic Revolution, that the people had given the Islamic government a resounding stamp of approval. He told the bald faced lie once again that there had been no election fraud. He made absolutely no concessions to the reformist candidates or to the millions of Iranians who have so bravely stood up for their right to have their vote fairly counted. If Khamenei had any moral authority as a leader in the past, he has completely lost it now. He is a damned lier and a hypocrite!
I really thought the IRI has a grip on things, I thought these people are smart and shrewd ... now it's obvious to me they are just DUMBASS POWER-Hungry fools
That's what I've been thinking all morning.
EVEN if we could assume that not ONE SINGLE VOTE was changed or fraudulent (which is impossible, but just for the sake of argument) ... EVEN if we could assume it, people are angry and hurt and divided. He HAD to say something to bring them together. His speech only made this situation far, far worse. I don't understand how he would choose to TAKE SIDES and blatantly name the love of his life IN THIS SITUATION.
What do you think is going to happen the next few days? I'm wondering if Mousavi is going to back down now.
"now it's obvious to me they are just DUMBASS POWER-Hungry fools"
Religious leaders all over the world have a long history being that, don't they?
Just substitute the phrase business leader for religious leader & you've got how things work in the US.
i.e. "stupid megalomaniacs."
With technology so available, the megalomaniacs can't hide violence towards protesters and they can't put that many people in jail without running out of jail space.
Indeed. I recently heard. What planet and time zone is this guy from?
I say keep at it, flush all of the toilets at one time turn on every electrical appliance at once and overpower the system !!! Hyperbolically speaking of course.
A revolution is always messy and contentious; my prayers are for your success. Brava, Solh
Mossad chief Meir Dagan on Tuesday told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee that "Election fraud in Iran is no different than what happens in liberal states during elections."
Full article @ http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1093410.html
dear naj... it was unreal... I read the speech...and I don't understand...I don't understand how he could not acknowledge millions of people...and he spoke at Tehrn University and he did not even mention the murdered students...instead he said the youth were misguided..spiritually...
I have video post of the Night Time Chanting to God... it is heartbreaking...
I pray for Iran tonight...for tomorrow...for what comes next...
--Mir Hossein Mousavi, the reformist candidate challenging Iran's authorities on the result of last week's presidential elections, is a masterful tactician who wants to overturn the re- election of his rival, President Mahmud Ahmadinejad, with allegations of a massive conspiracy that he claims cheated him and millions of his supporters...
Mousavi has lodged an official complaint with the powerful 12-member Guardians Council, which has ordered a partial recount of the vote. The complaint's main flaw is that it passes improper or questionable pre-election conduct as something else, that is, as evidence of voting fraud.
The protest, which seeks fresh elections, is short on specifics and long on extraneous, election-unrelated complaints. The first two items relate to the televised debates that were held between the candidates, rather than anything germane to the vote count.
There is also some innuendo, such as a claim that Ahmadinejad used state-owned means of transportation to campaign around the country, overlooking that there is nothing unusual about incumbent leaders using the resources at their disposal for election purposes. All previous presidents, including the reformist Mohammad Khatami, who is a main supporter of Mousavi, did the same.
Another complaint by Mousavi is that Ahmadinejad had disproportionate access to the state-controlled media. This has indeed been a bad habit in the 30-year history of the Islamic Republic, but perhaps less so this year because for the first time there were television debates, six of them, which allowed Mousavi and the other challengers free space to present their points of view.
With respect to alleged specific irregularities, the complaint cites a shortage of election forms that in some places caused a "few hours delay". This is something to complain about, but it hardly amounts to fraud, especially as voter turnout was a record high of 85% of the eligible 46 million voters. (Ahmadinejad was credited with 64% of the vote.)
Mousavi complains that in some areas the votes cast were higher than the number of registered voters. But he fails to add that some of those areas, such as Yazd, were places where he received more votes that Ahmadinejad.
Furthermore, Mousavi complains that some of his monitors were not accredited by the Interior Ministry and therefore he was unable to independently monitor the elections. However, several thousand monitors representing the various candidates were accredited and that included hundreds of Mousavi's eyes and ears.
They should have documented any irregularities that, per the guidelines, should have been appended to his complaint. Nothing is appended to Mousavi's two-page complaint, however. He does allude to some 80 letters that he had previously sent to the Interior Ministry, without either appending those letters or restating their content.
Finally, item eight of the complaint cites Ahmadinejad's recourse to the support given by various members of Iran's armed forces, as well as Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki's brief campaigning on Ahmadinejad's behalf. These are legitimate complaints that necessitate serious scrutiny since by law such state individuals are forbidden to take sides. It should be noted that Mousavi can be accused of the same irregularity as his headquarters had a division devoted to the armed forces.
Given the thin evidence presented by Mousavi, there can be little chance of an annulment of the result.---
reread the article carefully: Israel would have had a more serious problem because it would need to explain to the world the danger of the Iranian threat, since Mousavi is perceived internationally arena as a moderate element ...
This is exactly what Israeli stated after 1991 war , they leaked to tyrant Saddam to stay in Kuwait convincing him US will not come for war, then the opportunity to bring and occupied states in the gulf and pre- established bases for invasion in 2003.
Naj,
Please come done the seeds of unrest have been sowed, and they may bear fruit in later years. This will be scant comfort to those in Iran who want freedom now.let these Bas* counts for their death....
I fear deeply what is about to happen. But I also sense that the Gandhi-strategy of the majority is a winning one. If they can sustain their numbers and withstand the nightly raids, and if they can overwhelm the capital tomorrow in another peaceful show of strength, then they can win. And the world will change. This is their struggle now, requiring the kind of courage that only God can provide. Their God, my God, the God of the Torah and the Koran and the Gospels.
You are behaving like a spoiled nagging child who expected to receive a present during a brithday party for someone else. And that goes for the young rioters of Northern Tehran.
And calling some one whose views you do not agree with a fascist is wrong.
You must apologize.
In regards to those who were killed - one was a hizubllah student whom the agitators beat to death.
When a mature well-educated cosmopolitan woman like yourself cannot have civil discourse with some one who disagrees with her veiews what could one expect from the young, the not so well-educated, and the ignorant?
Thank God for Agha who has again intervened and saved the Constitutional Order from the mob on the street, from Rafsanjani clique, and other internal and external enemies.
15 comments:
I SOOOO want to know what's going through his head.
Is he the evil dictator Ganji claims he is? Did he have part in the vote rigging to begin with?
Is he himself threatened by certain fascist forces within the system?
Even if he isn't threatened by them, does he worry that if he lends out the SMALLEST support to the protests, or the SMALLEST doubt to the outcome they will take control of everything?
Or ......... ?!
I listened to some of Khamenei's speech. The man is completely disconnected from reality! He tried to claim that the 85% voter turnout was a great victory for the Islamic Revolution, that the people had given the Islamic government a resounding stamp of approval. He told the bald faced lie once again that there had been no election fraud. He made absolutely no concessions to the reformist candidates or to the millions of Iranians who have so bravely stood up for their right to have their vote fairly counted. If Khamenei had any moral authority as a leader in the past, he has completely lost it now. He is a damned lier and a hypocrite!
I really thought the IRI has a grip on things, I thought these people are smart and shrewd ... now it's obvious to me they are just DUMBASS POWER-Hungry fools
That's what I've been thinking all morning.
EVEN if we could assume that not ONE SINGLE VOTE was changed or fraudulent (which is impossible, but just for the sake of argument) ... EVEN if we could assume it, people are angry and hurt and divided. He HAD to say something to bring them together. His speech only made this situation far, far worse. I don't understand how he would choose to TAKE SIDES and blatantly name the love of his life IN THIS SITUATION.
What do you think is going to happen the next few days? I'm wondering if Mousavi is going to back down now.
Naj,
"now it's obvious to me they are just DUMBASS POWER-Hungry fools"
Religious leaders all over the world have a long history being that, don't they?
Just substitute the phrase business leader for religious leader & you've got how things work in the US.
i.e. "stupid megalomaniacs."
With technology so available, the megalomaniacs can't hide violence towards protesters and they can't put that many people in jail without running out of jail space.
Your little game is over.
You will not bring the Islamic System down with your slander.
pen Name
Indeed. I recently heard. What planet and time zone is this guy from?
I say keep at it, flush all of the toilets at one time turn on every electrical appliance at once and overpower the system !!!
Hyperbolically speaking of course.
A revolution is always messy and contentious; my prayers are for your success.
Brava, Solh
Mossad chief Meir Dagan on Tuesday told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee that "Election fraud in Iran is no different than what happens in liberal states during elections."
Full article @ http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1093410.html
Even Israelis do nt support your lies.
Shame, shame, shame...
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Naj
Come down take care of yourself. then let start work toward king ass's one by one.
dear naj...
it was unreal...
I read the speech...and I don't understand...I don't understand how he could not acknowledge millions of people...and he spoke at Tehrn University and he did not even mention the murdered students...instead he said the youth were misguided..spiritually...
I have video post of the Night Time Chanting to God...
it is heartbreaking...
I pray for Iran tonight...for tomorrow...for what comes next...
namaste....
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF19Ak02.html
--Mir Hossein Mousavi, the reformist candidate challenging
Iran's authorities on the result of last week's presidential
elections, is a masterful tactician who wants to overturn the re-
election of his rival, President Mahmud Ahmadinejad, with
allegations of a massive conspiracy that he claims cheated him
and millions of his supporters...
Mousavi has lodged an official complaint with the powerful
12-member Guardians Council, which has ordered a partial
recount of the vote. The complaint's main flaw is that it passes
improper or questionable pre-election conduct as something
else, that is, as evidence of voting fraud.
The protest, which seeks fresh elections, is short on specifics
and long on extraneous, election-unrelated complaints.
The first two items relate to the televised debates that were held
between the candidates, rather than anything germane to the
vote count.
There is also some innuendo, such as a claim that Ahmadinejad
used state-owned means of transportation to campaign around
the country, overlooking that there is nothing unusual about
incumbent leaders using the resources at their disposal for
election purposes. All previous presidents, including the
reformist Mohammad Khatami, who is a main supporter of
Mousavi, did the same.
Another complaint by Mousavi is that Ahmadinejad had
disproportionate access to the state-controlled media. This has
indeed been a bad habit in the 30-year history of the Islamic
Republic, but perhaps less so this year because for the first time
there were television debates, six of them, which allowed
Mousavi and the other challengers free space to present their
points of view.
With respect to alleged specific irregularities, the complaint
cites a shortage of election forms that in some places caused a
"few hours delay". This is something to complain about, but it
hardly amounts to fraud, especially as voter turnout was a
record high of 85% of the eligible 46 million voters.
(Ahmadinejad was credited with 64% of the vote.)
Mousavi complains that in some areas the votes cast were
higher than the number of registered voters. But he fails to add
that some of those areas, such as Yazd, were places where he
received more votes that Ahmadinejad.
Furthermore, Mousavi complains that some of his monitors were
not accredited by the Interior Ministry and therefore he was
unable to independently monitor the elections. However, several
thousand monitors representing the various candidates were
accredited and that included hundreds of Mousavi's eyes and
ears.
They should have documented any irregularities that, per the
guidelines, should have been appended to his complaint.
Nothing is appended to Mousavi's two-page complaint, however.
He does allude to some 80 letters that he had previously sent to
the Interior Ministry, without either appending those letters or
restating their content.
Finally, item eight of the complaint cites Ahmadinejad's recourse
to the support given by various members of Iran's armed forces,
as well as Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki's brief
campaigning on Ahmadinejad's behalf. These are legitimate
complaints that necessitate serious scrutiny since by law such
state individuals are forbidden to take sides. It should be noted
that Mousavi can be accused of the same irregularity as his
headquarters had a division devoted to the armed forces.
Given the thin evidence presented by Mousavi, there can be little
chance of an annulment of the result.---
This is going to be resolved politically.
pen Name,
Looks you miss really Israeli ppoint here.
reread the article carefully:
Israel would have had a more serious problem because it would need to explain to the world the danger of the Iranian threat, since Mousavi is perceived internationally arena as a moderate element ...
This is exactly what Israeli stated after 1991 war , they leaked to tyrant Saddam to stay in Kuwait convincing him US will not come for war, then the opportunity to bring and occupied states in the gulf and pre- established bases for invasion in 2003.
Naj,
Please come done the seeds of unrest have been sowed, and they may bear fruit in later years. This will be scant comfort to those in Iran who want freedom now.let these Bas* counts for their death....
meanwhile please just laugh for moment with this
Naj,
This women born this way telling Mullah what they facing them soooooon....
http://www.snotr.com/video/2630
I fear deeply what is about to happen. But I also sense that the Gandhi-strategy of the majority is a winning one. If they can sustain their numbers and withstand the nightly raids, and if they can overwhelm the capital tomorrow in another peaceful show of strength, then they can win. And the world will change. This is their struggle now, requiring the kind of courage that only God can provide. Their God, my God, the God of the Torah and the Koran and the Gospels.
Something is happening in Iran.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/thoughts-on-khameneis-speech.html
Annonymous Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:45:00 AM:
TYhe whoe point of these agitators was that the elections were rigged.
I have challenged their lies by posting evidence to the contrary.
Israel is certainly a threat but that is a different issue.
You are not going to destroy the Islamic Order because you are afraid of Israel, or US, or EU,...
We have put our trust in God.
Ya Ghaeme Al Muhammad.
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naj:
You are behaving like a spoiled nagging child who expected to receive a present during a brithday party for someone else. And that goes for the young rioters of Northern Tehran.
And calling some one whose views you do not agree with a fascist is wrong.
You must apologize.
In regards to those who were killed - one was a hizubllah student whom the agitators beat to death.
When a mature well-educated cosmopolitan woman like yourself cannot have civil discourse with some one who disagrees with her veiews what could one expect from the young, the not so well-educated, and the ignorant?
Thank God for Agha who has again intervened and saved the Constitutional Order from the mob on the street, from Rafsanjani clique, and other internal and external enemies.
From Kufa We are Not,
Alone, Ali is Not.
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