The Christians protected the muslims who stood to prayer; the same muslims who formed a human shield to protect the Christians from fanatic bombers.
The army, did not fire on them.
The dictator apologized for the killings.
80 million Christians and Muslims, demanded change, and received it.
Egypt deserves the leadership of the Islamic world.
You, Mr Khamenei lost your chance at super-manhood.
You, and your "doshman" rhetoric, you and your non-uniformed secret bullies, you and the clown whose fraudulent presidency you supported at the expense of many an asset of the Islamic republic.
And what are you doing today? On the eve of 22 Bahman, on the eve of the victory of the Islamic Revolution? You intercept the news and filter web sites, not allowing the Egyptian news reach Iran. Filtering it through your propaganda filter. What is all this fear for, supreme leader? Why are you so scared?
I am envious of Egyptians; I am even envious of the dictator they had. For he, although ran secret prisons, LISTENED and HEARD the voice of the people.
P.S. Mr Khamenei, the "so propagated by you" Islamic revolution of Egypt succeeded WITHOUT one American flag burning, and without even one "down with Israel" chanted! Take note!
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The Egyptian polity conforms to the usual pattern of Sunni polities; there is the formal State structure and then, in a semi-autonomous manner, is the Armed Forces of that state.
Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and many others this way.
So far, Turkey has been the state has moved the furthest in subordinating the Military to the State even there that is not completed (if ever).
Shia Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon are exceptions to this pattern.
While I wish all the best for the Egyptian people, the fact remains that on the path to the realization of the Rule of Law and Representative Government, the 2 most advanced Muslim states are Iran and Turkey.
Arabs, at this moment in history, cannot be leaders of the Islamic World. They lack the education to do so - broadly speaking.
Consider:
With the exception of Iran and Turkey (About 3000 titles translations per year for each country), translation rates are small among Arabs (and Muslims). According to a 2002 United Nations report written by Arab intellectuals and released in Cairo, “The entire Arab world translates about 330 books annually, one-fifth the number that Greece translates.”
Arabs have a population of 220 Million, Greece less than 11 million.
The report adds that in the 1000 years since the reign of the caliph Maa’moun, the Arabs have translated as many books as Spain translates in just one year.
I think you are too angry to make a dispassionate assessment of the world.
Can we also add that Egypt isn't rounding up Generals and executing them. Egypt is not rounding up former government officials and executing them. Egypt is not planning show trials where thousands will be condemned in kangaroo courts.
We were so duped in 1979 by the media who celebrated the Iranian Revolution, only to see the IRI thug theocracy execute tens of thousands, and watch tens of thousands emigrate to escape tyranny.
Anonymous said...
You have a very selective recollection of that time and place - 1979 and Iran.
The Army and the security forces, including SAVAK, had muredered thousands of unarmed protestors.
Their lives, apparently, was not worth much to that regimes or to you.
You have no clue as to the depth of anger and passions of the Iranian people.
If the culprits, or many of them, were not executed quickly there would have been lynching by mobs.
In Rasht, the mob (the people really) massacared everyone that they found in the SAVAK building; cut them to pieces with machetes and knives.
You are clueless about those times...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYcZcH2I8dk
The anger and hatred of the Iranian people is there; still after so many years.
Ok Mr. Makkinejad, are you advocating the execution of all the generals, high ranking government officials, including Ahmadinejab and Ayatollah Khamenei when the people rise up and topple the current regime in Iran?
This regime has murdered thousands more people than the Shah's regime murdered.
I agree that the last regime was a brutal regime, but so is the theocratic regime now in power.
That is how it is done
You must persist!
Naj, just a thought thrown out there: having experienced theocracy for 30 years, it seems to me that oligarchy is a much better thing: when a few select corrupt individuals control everything. It's easier to spot, it's easier to hate, it's easier to overthrow.
It's when you have an ideological system and worse, an ideological army, (at least claiming to be one, in this case the sepah) that things get a lot, A LOT harder and messier ... and dangerous.
Or maybe I'm just jealous :-S But that's just been one of my observations for the past few days.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2011/02/what-next.html#more
@anon
I think Turkey is sole Arab country that has caught up with the west.
However, I think the Egyptian revolution will act as a locomotive of progress for the entire Arab world. Historically, Egypt, and to a lesser extent Iraq, has always lead the Arab march towards catching up
The revolution in Egypt was breathtaking. The protesters stayed on-message and were almost Ghandi like in their methods. A week ago, I never would have believed a dictator in the ME could be toppled that way.
@ anonymous who responded to Babak Makkinejad:
GOOD ONE! :))
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Goatman: When you are dealing with a relatively rational dictator who is on the American payroll, you have a better chance than when dealing with a regime who is cornered and threatened by the rest of the world, and therefore has become even more violent and irrational than it naturally is.
If the 6+1 stopped threatening Iran, if Israel stopped threatening Iran, 'we' could have forced our dictators into resignation (as we did in 1979)
so, take it easy man! You focus on your side of the political fence and see how far we can go together in establishing some form of a justice in this crappy world.
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Ped
I agree. And I am so jealous of Egypt too. I wish Mubarak was our dictator :))
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Anonymous who responded to @anon
TURKEY IS NOT AN ARAB COUNTRY.
First learn a bit about these countries, before shooting.
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Craig
it was indeed remarkable. Egypt truly deserves the leadership of the Arab world. I hope they stay the course; and some agitators (namely the Iranian and the Israeli regimes) will not derail them.
Anonymous said...
I was not advocating anything by may statements other than responding to your statements that I found be both inaccurate.
You had insinuated, in my opinion, that the officals and officers of the former regime in Iran were executed without cause. I wanted to point out that there was a cause; the murder of thousands of people by the regime of the Shah during the protests.
I do not know the extend of the opposition to the current constitutional order in Iran therefore I cannot comment about your other statements.
B.M.
B. M.
What kind of a "causal" relationship is established in "revolutionary courts?"
Which judge presided over those?
Which trial?
According to which article of law were those Generals executed?
And if they were not executed, you are insinuating that they will have stuck back, and revenge killings will have occurred? Since you are so 'diligent' about "accuracy", would it not be accurate if YOU classify the rationalization you offer for the execution of the Generals as your gang's revenge-killing?
Naj:
Understanding a cause does not mean approval of it.
After the liberation of Europe in 1945, there were very many revenge attacks against the collaborators in France, the Low Countries, and in Italy. I once heard that 100,000 people were killed in France alone (I might be wrong and my memory might be failing me).
I am puzzled why you are responding to me in such a vehemently rhetorical manner. As though I had been anything but an observer of those events.
BM
Sorry BM, I understood you were condoning the killings.
I know that in Europe, the judiciary quickly took over executing some in order to put down the flames of hatred of others.
However, how can we in any rational sense compare the scale of atrocity committed in WW2 with that committed by Pahlavis? There is nothing similar in the nature of the two events to justify such "explanation of the cause".
Anyways, sorry I misunderstood you.
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